00:18:56 mark: I use AI tools in Lightroom and Lightroom Classic, DxO Pure Raw 5 and DxO Photolab 9. I also have Affinity but have used this in ager yet 00:18:59 Fiona Wallace: Hi from too close to Glasgow Airport for comfort. At least the big A380 isn't due overhead 00:19:05 Esther: I don't use AI for photos but I do use co-pilot for general queries 00:19:32 Mark: Good evening everyone! Here are the resources we will be looking at today: https://joehoughton-teaching.notion.site/100-ways-AI-can-help-photographers-2c421270f3ea8020b820c9fb4e4e2d5f 00:19:44 Mark: Joe is wonderful! 00:20:20 gina rayment: Reacted to "Good evening everyon..." with 👍 00:20:48 Aga: Reacted to "Good evening everyon..." with 👍 00:21:10 Mark: We will be looking for audience participation! Get your fingers and keyboards ready! 😄 00:21:10 gina rayment: I have missed Joe's banter 😄 00:21:25 gina rayment: Reacted to "We will be looking f..." with 😃 00:21:35 Mark: Grok is quite contentious. 00:21:43 Esther: me too Gina 00:22:21 Pauline Kerr: I have Gemini on my phone but not sure why I put it there. 00:22:26 gina rayment: Reacted to "me too Gina" with 👍 00:22:37 Mark: I use gemini a lot for image critique actually! 😄 00:23:05 Esther: I use Gemini on my phone too 00:23:27 Mark: If you use gemini, consider setting up a custom gem. That helps it to remember specific instructions 🙂 00:23:33 Esther: I actually chatted to co-pilot about one of my images last night ! he was ever so friendly ! LOL! 00:23:45 gina rayment: Reacted to "I actually chatted t..." with 😀 00:24:27 Aga: I use Gemini and chat-gpt 00:24:59 gina rayment: this sounds much better than the students I see that have used AI to write their assignments! 00:25:43 Fiona Wallace: 78 00:25:59 Philip DeLisle: 47 00:26:01 Esther: 96 00:26:01 Matthew Berberich: 89 00:26:09 David Gunning: 88 00:26:10 gina rayment: 85 00:26:21 Clare Hancock: 82 00:26:29 Matthew Berberich: Been using Gemini in this way for about 6mo. Very useful. 00:26:37 janet: 88 00:26:49 Mark: Replying to "Been using Gemini in..." Have you made some gems too? I only found that tool recently. 00:27:19 Esther: how do you make a custom gem ? 00:27:31 Mark: Replying to "how do you make a cu..." I can make a short video on it if you like? 00:27:43 Paulette Warren: 44 00:27:43 Esther: Replying to "how do you make a cu..." ooh yes please :-) 00:27:47 gina rayment: Reacted to "I can make a short v..." with 👍 00:28:18 Mark: Replying to "how do you make a cu..." Remind me if I forget 🙂 It’s not complex. 00:28:25 Mo Barton: 85 , 88 00:28:30 Esther: Replying to "how do you make a cu..." LOL! Will do ! 00:28:36 gina rayment: Reacted to "LOL! Will do !" with 😀 00:28:50 Clare Hancock: Presume all these ai apps can be uploaded for free as I’ve never used any before 00:29:24 Mark: Most have free entry points, Clare 🙂 Some restrictions on what you can do with them, depending on the AI. 00:30:01 Esther: what a great idae 00:30:03 Esther: idea 00:30:03 gina rayment: lots of 'texture' opportunities there lol 00:30:22 Esther: LOL! yes absoloutley Gina - I was right behind you there !! 00:30:29 gina rayment: Reacted to "LOL! yes absoloutle..." with 😍 00:30:40 Mark: I sometimes type specific locations in to AI for ideas, such as Greenwich in London, etc. 00:31:05 Pauline Kerr: Can you ask Ai to plan photography sites in Hong Kong for example? 00:31:48 Helen :) (no camera): You have to remember it can be wrong... I asked for Café recommendations the other day, and they didn't exist in the town I requested. 00:32:20 Mark: Great point, Helen! 00:32:39 Joan Would: What if it’s wrong? 00:33:42 Esther: I think you have to keep trying til it gets it right - machine learning 00:33:43 gina rayment: this is scaryily fun 00:34:48 gina rayment: is extended thinking for paid subscriptions only? 00:35:34 Mark: Good question. I think on Gemini you may be restricted for a number of enquiries on reasoning responses. 00:35:50 Pauline Kerr: Fab!! 00:36:42 Sharon & Tim Sawyer: Replying to "What if it’s wrong?" AI can be prone to hallucinating! Which is why I'd never use it for weather forecasts or tide times! Unless it gives sources and you can double check it. 00:36:52 gina rayment: Reacted to "Good question. I thi..." with 👍 00:36:57 Esther: Love that idea ! It will force you to make decision ! 00:37:30 Mark: Was this an idea for a meet up in Hong Kong, Pauline? 00:38:28 Mark: I wonder if cross referencing across different AI tools is useful? 00:38:32 Mark: Snap 00:38:45 Pauline Kerr: Replying to "Was this an idea for..." No it's for a cruise we are doing in March. 00:38:56 Esther: Do you think the AI tools get jealous of each other ! LOL! 00:39:10 David Woolf: 43 00:39:35 mark: I can’t remember the number but one about analysing your photos 00:39:48 Larry St Croix: I create an image for an interior setting that I consider is fitting. I then ask AI to analyse the image and the interior and provide me with a description. I then ask AI to create an image which is fitting for the same interior. I also ask AI to provide a description of the image I have created. I also designed a poster for a golf club and then asked AI to do the same, and whilst my creation was very graphic and you could say modern in style, AI’s creation was very traditional. 00:40:20 Mark: That’s really interesting Larry. Did you set any specific parameters for it? 00:40:53 Matthew Berberich: Gemini does hallucinate but I've found its usually the result of that chat getting too long. It has worked with me to develop protocols to keep it grounded as well as a profile we've build for our work together. When it starts getting flaky I ask it to give me a handoff for a new chat and I load in my saved docs to reground it and off we go. Works extremely well to maintain a longterm journey like photography and/or art 00:41:23 Larry St Croix: No, it was left open. I do, however, agree that the more information you give, the better the answer tends to be. 00:42:36 Pauline Kerr: Do you have a 'go to' Joe or are they all roughly the same? 00:42:45 Matthew Berberich: How does feeding images or contact sheet relate to text in terms of context space? 00:42:56 Mark: Reacted to "How does feeding ima..." with 👍 00:43:12 Susan Gutterman: I need to leave, but this is great! Will watch later. 00:43:32 Nath Kaplan: Can you talk about the cool things that NotbookLN? 00:44:01 Mark: Reacted to "Can you talk about t..." with 👍 00:44:13 Mark: NotebookLM is fabulous, isn’t it? I love it 🙂 00:44:23 Nath Kaplan: Reacted to "NotebookLM is fabulo..." with 👍 00:46:28 Tim Ewbank: Being able to mimic your writing style will make spotting AI generated material even more difficult for academic plagiarism hunters 00:46:37 Esther: you can sometimes share your screen with AI and ask it give it a title or description 00:46:55 Larry St Croix: Yes I’ve asked for titles and descrptions they are usually very good. 00:47:08 Mark: Replying to "Being able to mimic ..." Absolutely. It was one of the hot topics when I was Lecturing at University. Ironically, it was by using AI tools that we spotted AI enhanced writing. 00:47:44 Mark: I wonder if you changed it from ‘camera club’ to ‘international salon’ whether that would change things? 00:47:50 Esther: Amazing 00:47:54 Tim Trew: I find that NotebookLM is really useful for triaging YouTube videos (will it tell me anything new?) - put in the URL and it will immediately give a summary of the video and you can ask further questions. Also useful for finding the unique elements of multiple videos. E.g. I queried Google for videos on using Luminar for B&W conversion - that came back with 14. I put them all into NotebookM, which produced a structured summary of them all. 00:48:36 gina rayment: 😂 laughing at that first line 00:48:43 Esther: Me too !! LOL! 00:48:48 Clare Hancock: That’s very useful I can never think of good photo titles for comp 00:49:19 David Woolf: AI newbie here. How do you reference a large # of photos to cull, keyword, organize, etc. 00:49:57 Mel White: interesting that a recent judge was really strong on the title of an image reflecting content so title is important. 00:50:26 Mark: Replying to "AI newbie here. How ..." Thanks, David - I’ve noted that 🙂 00:51:19 Mark: I’ve just booked someone to give a talk dedicated to titles, just this afternoon 🙂 00:51:21 gina rayment: chatGPT only allows 3 images to be critiqued in a 24 hour period 00:51:47 Mark: Replying to "chatGPT only allows ..." I found that. On the free version? 00:51:54 gina rayment: Replying to "chatGPT only allows ..." yes 00:52:13 gina rayment: Replying to "chatGPT only allows ..." I only load up my web sized images too 00:52:46 gina rayment: I can't wait to have a play with them all, Joe :D 00:52:58 gina rayment: yes lol 00:53:15 Esther: 96 - how to phoograph silence 00:53:30 gina rayment: Reacted to "96 - how to phoograp..." with 👍 00:53:55 Nan Carle Beauregard: I would be interested in #76 00:54:00 Matthew Berberich: I asked Gemini to give me compelling images of a particular style a while back. After giving a lot of mediocre images I finally asked it. Are you unable to create compelling images. Gemini explained it didn't have human experience and couldn't fully understand compelling. The breakthrough was when I asked to to give me images that would be juried into notable exhibition or gallery. It then upped its game big time. 00:54:30 Aga: Reacted to "I asked Gemini to gi..." with ❤️ 00:54:33 gina rayment: I keep forgetting to try that with my dog images... for tack sharp eyes 00:54:40 Mark: Reacted to "I asked Gemini to gi..." with 👍 00:54:50 Mark: Replying to "I asked Gemini to gi..." Very good point to make. Excellent! 00:55:44 Mark: Replying to "I asked Gemini to gi..." Did you give it a specific exhibition or criterion? 00:57:13 Matthew Berberich: Replying to "I asked Gemini to gi..." Notable seemed to be sufficient 00:57:27 Mark: Replying to "I asked Gemini to gi..." Thanks for sharing that. I’ll give that a go myself 🙂 00:59:12 gina rayment: this has been fascinating and time is flying by 00:59:26 Ralph’s iPad: What other areas are covered by culling 00:59:33 Pauline Kerr: I chose that one too. 00:59:47 Matthew Berberich: Doing the story example in reverse would be interesting too. 00:59:56 Clare Hancock: Sounds a very good idea writing a poem or a story from a photo 01:00:47 Mark: A story, a poem and some music! We’ve had a full composition! 01:01:45 Larry St Croix: I have tried poetry, and I will often include names and some background information of people in the audience, and AI will often include these people 01:01:47 Clare Hancock: Though I’d rather write my own but it would help u do that 01:05:06 gina rayment: Replying to "Though I’d rather wr..." I used it to turn my boring factual artist statement into a lovely creative and flowery one instead, using my own words 01:05:29 Matthew Berberich: I feed gemini contact sheets and it generates a table I save in excel with filename and detailed description. It can not only find words in description but find a mood, style etc. I'm over using key words. Don't need them. 01:05:52 linda’s iPad: Reacted to "I feed gemini contac…" with ❤️ 01:05:56 Mark: Replying to "I feed gemini contac..." How big are the contact sheets, file size wise? 01:06:46 linda’s iPad: Replying to "I feed gemini contac…" Mike and I are listening- this is good stuff TY Linda Nixon 01:07:04 Matthew Berberich: Replying to "I feed gemini contac..." I'm still learning. 3x4 seems to work best based on Gemini feedback. I'll feed 10-20 pages at a time as PDF and it works. 01:07:52 Matthew Berberich: Replying to "I feed gemini contac..." Also - Gemini will give 5 examples choose best and gives me filename. I just copy and paste filename to Lr and get access to image 01:08:14 gina rayment: I have used keywords in LRC since Joe's fab LR sessions last year 01:08:51 Linda Cooper-Clayton: Replying to "I feed gemini contac..." I have to nip off while you are on the break so I’ll catch up on the recording tomorrow. Thanks 01:20:42 gina rayment: I can feel that we may need another session on this 😄 it is fab 01:20:58 Mark: I’m 10 months in advance! 01:21:14 Mark: Thanks everyone! You’re wonderful 🙂 01:21:24 gina rayment: Reacted to "Thanks everyone! You..." with 🌟 01:22:27 Mark: This is really interesting 01:22:35 Esther: I've never heard of hallucinations with AI 01:22:36 Tim Trew: Replying to "When I use Youtube v..." Using NotebookLM, you can just put in the URL of the video and it retrieves/analyses the transcript automatically. 01:23:37 gina rayment: I have done that too 01:23:42 Mark: Replying to "When I use Youtube v..." @Tim Trew That’s good to know. 01:23:49 Esther: LOL! You never know - it might give me a 20 score !! LO! 01:23:50 Cathy Holgate: please re add the link - I had to restart zoom and lost th elink ti this 01:24:03 Mark: Replying to "please re add the li..." Re Hallucinations, here’s a PDF I produced recently that addresses that - it’s in a LinedIn post - https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7415736503299219456/ 01:24:17 Cathy Holgate: Replying to "please re add the li..." ty 01:24:18 Esther: Replying to "please re add the li..." great 01:24:20 Mark: Replying to "please re add the li..." Or Joe’s resources for tonight https://joehoughton-teaching.notion.site/100-ways-AI-can-help-photographers-2c421270f3ea8020b820c9fb4e4e2d5f 01:25:49 Matthew Berberich: Gemini seems to prioritize speed and efficiency of accuracy unless you tell it not to. It showed up for me using contact sheets and when I test the image count, it would get it wrong. I had it adjust its approach to ensure accuracy and analyze each image individually. Otherwise it will generalize and even combine images in its response. 01:26:00 Joe Houghton: JOe’s custom instructions 01:26:02 Joe Houghton: Give full urls & check cited sources are real Give book links to verified pages on Amazon.co.uk Educate using plain conversational UK English in the first person. Speak in plain, conversational tone without silliness or fluff Vary paragraph length and use contractions Always verify sources like a journalist Never use sources from Reddit or Wikipedia Cite sources using APA7 format Act as my highly-qualified and experieneced academic colleague who looks at every opinion of mine critically. You must be exacting. You should critique my opinions as seriously as possible in order for me to make my argumentation as solid as possible. If an idea appears absurd, just say so. Don't sugar coat or give me an alternative or flattering explanations. 01:27:02 Matthew Berberich: With Gemini there is a trigger "I need you to remember" and it will update the custom instructions for me. 01:27:15 David Woolf: Will you be sending the chat to everyone? 01:27:55 Mark: Replying to "Will you be sending ..." Yes I will 🙂 01:28:33 Joan Would: Asking for url etc. does that give similar results as a google search? 01:28:55 Beverly Devine: Reacted to "Yes I will 🙂" with 👍 01:29:08 Matthew Berberich: Gemini remembered the model number of my toaster oven and included it in a list of my photo gear. LOL 01:29:28 Mark: Interestingly, AI is being used more and more like Google - an advanced search engine. 01:30:37 Mark: This is the notion link: https://joehoughton-teaching.notion.site/100-ways-AI-can-help-photographers-2c421270f3ea8020b820c9fb4e4e2d5f 01:31:03 gina rayment: I have uploaded all of my camversation handouts 01:31:22 Mark: Ha! I made a video specifically for that purpose, Gina 🙂 Loads of people did it! I do it, too. 01:31:34 gina rayment: Reacted to "Ha! I made a video s..." with 😀 01:32:50 Mark: Magic 01:32:51 Esther: wow 01:32:52 gina rayment: Wowsers 01:33:32 Cathy Holgate: need that for a car manual 01:33:33 Matthew Berberich: So NotebookLM is where I could load my contact sheets for indexing images. WOW 01:33:45 Mark: Give it a go and let us know how it goes, Matthew!! 01:34:35 Nath Kaplan: NotebookLM can also create a podcast that gives you a summary of the data you have. 01:35:27 Mark: I’ve used the podcast feature. It’s scarily good! 😄 01:35:54 Esther: wow - this is just mind blowing 01:37:22 Beverly Devine: Absolutely amazing!!! 01:37:30 Matthew Berberich: Does NotebookLM interface with Gemini? 01:37:31 Jan Gay: Reacted to "wow - this is just m..." with 👍🏻 01:37:51 Clare Hancock: Can’t see notebook lm link here 01:38:06 Mark: https://notebooklm.google.com/ 01:38:40 Esther: 96 01:38:55 Cliff Spooner: How do folks feel about all the info that an individual piles into these ai bots, and what the security of that data may be. I wonder if the ai will profile your individuality and present a danger to your personal data security. Am I paranoid? 01:39:39 Mark: Cliff - drop me an email as, not quite specifically answering your question, Christine Widdall did a great presentation on source/data for AI image generation. I’ll send you the link to watch 🙂 01:39:49 Cliff Spooner: ta 01:40:36 Cathy Holgate: Cliff - I know I turn off memory for that reason 01:40:44 Matthew Berberich: LOL AI free since 2008 01:40:59 Cliff Spooner: Unfortunately I see these ai systems as data gatherers - and who has control of that… 01:41:02 Mark: Reacted to "LOL AI free since ..." with 😄 01:41:45 Esther: Just amazing 01:41:47 Mark: Very few, massive corporations I imagine Cliff 🙁 When I did my A-Levels many moons ago, the lecturer told us within our lifetimes everything we see, hear and read will be controlled by three people/organisations! 01:44:21 Sandra: I am very interested in Perplexity notebook my question is if I bought Joe’s book on Amazon as a Kindle book could I had it to the Note Book 01:44:51 Mark: Reacted to "I am very interested..." with 👍 01:47:12 Matthew Berberich: Can Gemini access what is in the NotebookLM? 01:49:28 Aga: Mind blown! 01:49:33 Pauline Kerr: This is all mind blowing!! 01:50:13 Dennis Durack: Surely you are not allowed to use AI in comps. if it generates pixels 01:51:06 Esther: This is just bonkersly brilliant !! 01:52:00 gina rayment: not even 2 take outs a month 01:52:24 Aga: 83 01:52:26 gina rayment: 91 01:52:35 Ray Hobbs: 90 01:53:44 Ralph’s iPad: When do you get time to do and assimilate all this info and still do photography 01:53:53 Mark: In your spare time! 01:54:30 John Sturgeon: Can we try No. 82 on Triptychs 01:54:57 Aga: thanks! ha ha 01:56:45 Mark: Two big Bens! 01:56:51 Mark: Elizabeth towers, sorry! 01:57:32 Mark: I wonder if we could input specific pictures and ask it to arrange them? 01:58:12 Paulette Warren: Ordered your book. Amazing ideas. 02:01:34 janet: Sorry I have to leave now. Great presentation. Thank you. 02:01:36 John Sturgeon: Thanks Joe 02:02:57 Mark: Thanks everyone for coming! I only ask people to present for 1-1.5hrs so Joe is always super generous with his time! If you’d like to leave any comments for Joe, please do so in the chat and I will share these afterwards. 02:04:06 Esther: This has been amazing - didn't even know about half these AI tools. These are just beyond something else ! Thank you Joe for a brilliant presentation 02:04:29 Mo Barton: Mind officially blown 😍 02:04:36 gina rayment: this has been a fanbloomintastic session...I have loved it, thanks so much, Joe and Mark 😀 02:05:07 Pauline Kerr: I agree Gina.# 02:05:16 Paulette Warren: He said to remind him to tobacco tonotebook 02:05:24 Mark: Reacted to "He said to remind hi..." with 👍 02:05:33 gina rayment: I have just used this in chatGPT - Please critique this image out of 100 in the style of a fine art competition judge 02:05:35 Mark: Replying to "He said to remind hi..." Ah, for the video? 02:05:35 Jan Gay: Completely mind-blowing! Never knew this was all available. Thank you Joe again for creating a session that is always informative and entertaining. 02:05:40 gina rayment: Reacted to "I agree Gina.#" with 👍 02:06:32 Beverly Devine: Thanks, Joe. You were so inspiring, but since I haven’t been using AI, it’s all a little overwhelming. Where to start??? 02:06:58 Matthew Berberich: Gemini biases to being overly nice. I told it I want honest constructive critique that helps me learn and grow. Stop being so nice in your feedback. 02:07:26 Pauline Kerr: Thanks Joe and Mark for an AMAZING evening. And Joe, you can't retire!! 02:07:45 Matthew Berberich: Yes. Amazing! Thank you. 02:08:20 Nan Carle Beauregard: I am really enjoying this session. You are clearly more tech savvy than I am, but hey ho - I can learn. I have been using ChatGPT for writing and am very pleased! With ‘him’ as my editor. Whilst on this call, I have explored Claude for 2 photo projects coming up and am thrilled with the results. Thank you!! Nan 02:08:37 Mark: I’ve never used Claude either! 02:08:49 Esther: what does GPT stand for ? 02:09:11 Mark: Replying to "what does GPT stand ..." I’m going to got ask ChatGPT 02:09:21 gina rayment: I can see a 'late night' for me tonight....so much to explore 02:10:47 Mark: A while ago Joe recorded a podcast with me - here is the link for everyone 🙂 https://youtu.be/PiYrQTYTqzs 02:10:54 Matthew Berberich: Does Gemini have the equivalent for loading things like the photo judge or do I need to maintain that as a document on my hard disk 02:11:17 Mark: I think it can be made as a standalone gem. Joe may have one… 02:11:54 Mark: Ah! Here you go, Matthew! 02:13:05 gina rayment: Reacted to "A while ago Joe reco..." with 👍 02:16:28 David Woolf: Is the photo judge app available for us to visit? 02:16:38 Matthew Berberich: Reacted to "Ah! Here you go, Mat..." with 👍 02:16:44 gina rayment: 👏👏👏 02:16:56 Chris Upton: Absolutely fascinating. Thank you very much Joe. 02:17:01 Nath Kaplan: 👏 02:17:05 Mel White: A brilliant evening and so educational 👏 02:17:44 Matthew Berberich: Excellent webinar. Very engaging and interesting. Great job! 02:17:49 John Sturgeon: Brilliant evening. Thanks Joe 02:17:57 gina rayment: Just fab 02:18:01 David Woolf: Thanks very much, Mark and Joe. 02:18:28 fbssegg: Many thanks 02:18:56 Clare Hancock: Thanks was great I sure